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Owners discuss issues, needs

August 29, 2013

ALPENA — Staff of Michigan Works, along with a group of manufacturing business owners and educational leaders, gathered Thursday for a roundtable meeting to find a way to work more closely together......

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 7:23 AM

Go read the article about proposed cuts to teacher's pay, and wonder why schools aren't producing the talent Alpena needs. Republicans want bargain basement schools, you'll get the output you pay for.

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normanlake

Aug-30-13 9:40 AM

Patterson does not 'think' anyone wants to work? Maybe his firm is a low wage sweat shop.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 9:49 AM

Jaxoextinguishedlantern, when have schools ever taught machine shop, metal cutting, CAD design etc?

Would you like for them to include it in the "White Man Bad, Indian Good" course? How about the "White Man Bad, Black Man Good" course?

Perhaps they could teach it in the "Capitalism Bad, Socialism Good" course?

Which of these would you suggest? Oh, there's also the "Straight Man Bad, Gay Man Good" course. That might be the one.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 9:57 AM

Jaxology: Why not just build a huge stack of money in each school and let the stack teach the kids?

Oh, it ain't a money thing, it's a teaching thing?

Then you you might consider rethinking the tripe you didn't think through previously.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 10:02 AM

Could you name a single country that spends more per student than the USA does?

Uh huh. Shut up. You're contributing to climate change or global warming, or horrible hurricanes or something. Keep your CO2 to yourself.

The plants and trees love it though. Fruits and vegetables love it too.

Just ask Normango...him a fruit.

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 10:18 AM

"He said school cuts have left most without trade classes and it is showing in the workforce."

Once again by not reading the article RS has humiliated himself. I had shop in school, although I suppose now Tea Party spawn would want to use the tools as weapons.

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 10:20 AM

Several of my friends had drafting in High School, one did have a sheet metal class and went on to make a career of it, recently retiring thanks to his Union pension. RS going to a Pat Robertson High School only learned Walking on Water 101, Healing Through Prayer Not Medicine 101, and Bible Study 101 -999.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 10:38 AM

Could you name a single country that spends more per student than the USA does?

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preskeelpundit

Aug-30-13 10:40 AM

Businesses used to hire high school students and graduates and train them to do a job through work/study programs. Now they want fully trained people that know the job on day one, but they only want to pay minimum wage. Then they wonder why they can't find qualified people?

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 10:56 AM

I don't see any usable data as far as spending per student. America spends the most dollars per student but none of the data adjusts for a country's cost of living, so another country may be spending less per student but getting more bang for the buck.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 11:10 AM

Breaking News: The Cost Of Living Went Up.

Johnny: "Dang, now I can't learn nothin'."

Teacher: "That's good cuz I can't teach nothin' neither."

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 11:32 AM

Let's improve education by spending less. Cut to Grow economics applied to education.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 11:46 AM

Teacher: "They just doubled my retirement package!"

Johnny: "Yay, now I can learn somethin'!"

Teacher: "Maybe, but I still can't teach nothin'. Maybe if they triple my retirement package and pay for my sex change."

Johnny: "Yes Ma'am, I mean Sir, I mean..."

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 11:51 AM

Johnny: "I want to take shop." Republicans: "We cut shop." Johnny: "How about auto repair?" Republicans: "Nope." Johnny: "Home construction?" Republicans: "Sorry." Johnny: "What can I take?" Republicans: "Economics" Johnny: "That sounds good." Republicans: "You have to buy the textbook 'Atlas Shrugged'".

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 12:05 PM

Say Jaxolibby, would you take 10K for that '06 Chevy Colorado? How about 20K? Wait, I want the best quality I can get. Tell ya' what, if give you 80K for that truck, will the high mileage and rust disappear?

Why not? And why would it be stupid to throw 80K at that truck of yours when it ain't even worth 10K? According to your non-logic, the more I pay, the better it is. Right?

Ok, you've worn me down. What a negotiator. I'll give ya' 160K for that truck.

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 12:11 PM

If you were engineering a truck, would you spend enough to make a decent truck, or not enough? You obviously would not spend enough.

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 12:15 PM

Q: Why are we being surpassed in science and math?

A: Republicans see science as evil, and math as unnecessary.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 12:18 PM

I don't want to engineer a truck, even though I could do that with one pencil and a few pieces of paper. What I want to do is buy one.

Final offer, $320K for that truck.

The more I pay the smarter I feel. I'll ask my wallet if I can buy it and you ask your union if you can sell it.

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jaxspp

Aug-30-13 12:30 PM

I'm not sure what your point is, but is it has made you happy go for it. Obviously with more money you can buy a better truck, with more money you can restore the classes that these businessmen say are necessary to train the Americans they need. But I'm concluding you would rather they hire the immigrants who have the training.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 12:34 PM

My point is that throwing money down a rat hole only feeds the rats while emptying the people's wallets.

When you can't fire anyone with cause nor promote anyone based on merit what you get is a group of good for nothing nincompoops who turn out good for nothing nincompoops.

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rshill7

Aug-30-13 1:12 PM

"Chicago public schools to begin teaching sex-ed in kindergarten, will include same-sex relationships"

The Prosecution Rests.

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amos57usa

Aug-31-13 9:29 AM

I guess they don't teach shop at homeschools. Homeschool science says earth is 6,000 years old.

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rshill7

Aug-31-13 9:35 AM

You guessed wrong. What else is new?

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ErieToAlpena

Sep-03-13 9:18 AM

You Libs always blame under-performing schools on not enough money being spent and yet the billions that are spent now have resulted in the U.S. falling increasingly behind the rest of the world. It never occurs to you that your ways don't work. Decades ago when "conservative" principles governed school curriculum, America led the world. Inflation-adjusted spending per pupil was way less than it is today. How much more evidence do you need that your idiotic concepts are responsible for failure? Some of you like to brainlessly accuse Republicans of not considering math and science to be important. I would bet that the vast majority of you that spout that tripe are failures yourselves in the realms of math and science. Instead of spending your unemployed hours here (I am self-employed) following your Democrat masters, why don't you go apply for some of the jobs in Alpena? I'll answer that for you - you aren't any more capable of performing simple tasks than you are at science

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